Aussies & Border Collies are not for everyone!
Our Pups are raised in our
home and gets lots of love and daily enrichment. They are weaned on a
balanced raw & grain free diet-as not everyone wants to feed Raw. With
young dogs, finding the nutritional balance to support growth, while not
creating too fast of long bone growth, takes experience. We believe that
many health issues are triggered by over-vaccinating-so we practice
minimal vaccination protocols.
There is huge responsibility
in being a "breeder", that starts by making good choices based
on the generations behind a dog, as well as the qualities of the dog
considered "worthy" for breeding. This is a combination of health
statistics, temperament, structure and ability. We give our pups a good start, while
also making a contribution either through foster or rescue, to balance
our guilt of bringing more dogs into the world. For this reason we
also do not breed often-and will never be a "big name" breeder
intentionally. Quality of intent, rather than quantity in numbers. Each
of our pups is a special edition, loved and raised, as though they might
all stay as our "pick".
Both breeds require specific and ongoing
throughout their different developmental periods.
is to produce sound structure in healthy, happy puppies that can do
everything. All parents are health screened and compete/train
in different venues-to judge their contribution both in working ability
& genetically, to producing pups.
The following information also applies to Border
Collies, known as working sheepdogs...for a reason. Our
Aussies are bred to the ASCA standard, to be athletic, versatile and moderate.
Border Collies are working dogs, defined by their abilities & working
style, so not bred to a "breed" standard. Aussies and BCs are
intelligent, thinking breeds, not suited to every lifestyle, but provided they get
adequate exercise, socialization and training, they are amazing dogs
to live with.
Both breeds do better in homes
where they are part of the
activities and are given a job to do. They can not be raised in a backyard, or
expected to raise themselves. All need a job, of some sort-or they will
create one for themselves.
Prior to the sixteen weeks, what a pup is socialized
to, will affect their ability to bond, adjust and assimilate later.
Before they hit the juvenile period, it is
crucial that all Aussie & BC puppies be exposed to a multitude of
different people with positive, happy experiences.
As a breeder, we can set the stage for early bonding with people, but as soon
as that puppy goes into a new home, the responsibility becomes that of
the new family. They are little sponges at this stage, always learning, so each new experience, both good and bad, is cataloged for future
reference. Raising an Aussie or BC puppy is like having an extra
full-time job-but with lot's of perks. What you put into them, pays off,
tenfold. What you don't, comes back to haunt you.
Working on building resilience into our pups-they have many experiences
early on, that encourage problem solving and bounce back.
Puppy Kindergarten is a must, no matter how experienced you are, how many
dogs you have raised, etc. Attending PKT provides a specific
environment, socialization to other pups, and the opportunity to get
your puppy used to many things, including riding in a car. If left in a backyard, not taken everywhere on a
daily basis-especially the first year or crated excessively,
any pup can
become shy, frustrated or bored which creates undesirable behaviors like
barking, digging and fearful behavior to new people & things. Neither breed is for the faint of
heart. They require more than can be explained in a written
breed description or by just meeting a few. BCs are more
likely to develop compulsive behaviors when under-stimulated,
Aussies just plain get into trouble.
Breeding is the art of finding two dogs, whose pedigrees,
personalities and type will hopefully produce puppies that embody the best of
both parents. A lot of research goes into planning a litter, giving
thought to the aesthetics of type, but with structure, temperament and
health foremost-with visual appeal or color, never a priority.
Bio-Sensor exercises are started after birth to enhance development,
while also gauging early reactions. Watching for early reactions to
stress & bounce back resiliency, an important part of raising pups-to
also help predict potential reactions, later.
While some pups are unfazed, most herding pups go in and out of fear periods as
they mature. We suggest exposing your pup to a
minimum of 100 new things, in the first 100 days & on...at a rate that does not frighten them. Intensive
and ongoing socialization and
not making a big deal of fear periods or shyness in some pups-the more
you get them Out and About, the more they will adjust.
litter, you will have general consistency of personality, but can have a variety of social tendencies and level of strong
mindedness-each pup will carry traits from their parents, but it is up
to their people to bring out the best in them!! The same pup, raised by
two different people will have some traits that are hardwired
genetically-but how they are raised will improve (or not) on those
Some pups are more
independent, some are more reliant upon you-some may be more
introverted, while others greet the world like a speeding truck with no
brakes-all require calm structure, as they are introduced to the world
at large. Building a bond with a puppy and teaching them to take cues
from you, not just the environment, is very important with sight
sensitive and environmentally reactive breeds like Aussies and Border Collies. Seeing what they see,
is the first step in knowing where their brains are, as they learn about
the world. I consider myself a "commentator" when I am first getting a
pup out-the more I talk to them as they experience new things when I see
the alert response prior to a reaction or refocus their attention on me
for praise/reward with a previous trigger, the less likely they are to
react. I would rather put in the information, than let a reaction just
occur and have to "fix" a response.
Temperament is one of our first priorities when
planning a litter and how that affects ability. We strive to produce stable, even-tempered,
outgoing, confident and loving dogs, whether destined for work,
performance, or as a family companion. Our BCs are not bred to be
conformation dogs, although they are sound in structure.
We support the ABCA's belief that breeding to maintain working ability is more important
than all else.
Pretty is, as pretty
does.....Form Follows Function
Our puppies are generally medium-high drive but do not
tend to have "hard" temperaments.
They often will require time to mature both mentally and physically,
before expecting them to successfully handle too much pressure. Some
mature quickly and are ready to "go" quickly-but we suggest not
expecting to push any pup, beyond what they seem to enjoy or can handle,
We produce pups that become part of a team or family,
not to fulfill goals.
Regardless of how many dogs you have trained, a
Positively based puppy kindergarten and basic obedience class is
crucial! Letting a puppy be a puppy is as important, as teaching them
how to learn & beginning foundation in training. It makes me literally
NUTS, when I see puppies/dogs being micro-managed to the point they
don't get to blow off steam and just be dogs. If we sat at a desk
24/7...would we get crazy? YES!!!! So, why expect a pup to "work" or
exhibit perfect self-control all the time...they need to run, stretch
their legs and experience the world on their own, too. Doesn't mean they
run wild, or gain access to everything without being trustworthy in
their recall/relationship to their people...but the trend of train,
train, train and not letting a pup stretch their wings or having times
of no-pressure in expectations...creates stress and fallout behaviors
elsewhere. Pups need well rounded lives, like we do. Work, exercise,
play, food, more play, rest, more play....you get the idea :)
Patience is a virtue, in allowing a pup to mature before
expecting them to perform at the level of an adult dog-if someone is in
a hurry, our pups are probably not right for you. Talented and driven as many
are, we want homes that cherish them first, compete or work second.
Understandably, there are more utilitarian or goal driven attitudes
towards dogs-but the majority of us love our dogs, or why have them?
Would you expect the same from a ten year old child as
you would from a twenty year old? Would you give up on a child, and
decide that is who they are forever-if they who took some time to bring
out the best in? or showed a behavior you needed to help guide them
through? I don't think so...but when some look at pups that are so quick
and brilliant, they expect instant and progressive results, forgetting
that we may be pushing them beyond their mental maturity.
Producing biddable, operant personalities while maintaining
working and athletic ability, is something we
strive for. Some of our pups have softer temperaments and some do not.
Sensitivity to environment & to us, to is part of who these herding dogs
are supposed to be. We do not
place our pups in homes that plan to train with old fashioned correction
based training that focuses on telling a dog they are "wrong" as that will shut down a softer dog. They do
best in homes where they are given a job or at least have
hobbies and are trained with a focus on pro-active POSITIVE
techniques that focus on them being "right", to shape desirable behavior. From the beginning, we
give pups activities, that encourage problem solving and help them to
develop their brains. Letting them "fail" and figure out tasks, builds
Aussies tend to be more
about the relationship of training-doing it for you, not the access to
the activity, while many BCs will repeat behaviors they find rewarding,
on their own. In both cases, making yourself the center of their
universe, builds the bond, whether they will be just an active family
pet or working/competing.
A balanced dog is our main goal.
We do not breed for one performance venue over another
specifically, but working/performance homes that will also love them as a
member of the family, do receive preference, as they
are more likely to keep these furry Einsteins busy. Our "pick"
puppy, if they don't stay here, is more likely to go into a
serious performance or working home, based on having the best drive and structure of the
litter. We also look for homes that will not overface with
training or competition, until a pup has matured both mentally and
Aussies & BCs need daily mental and physical exercise
to varying degrees, so for the average pet home, they can be a
little overwhelming. If you are an active person/family with
time to train and work with a dog, an Aussie or BC might be right
for you. Once physically mature, daily exercise means flat out
running for these two breeds-not just a walk around the block. If you
have to press hard to feel a dog's ribs, they are fat!!!!! especially,
if they are to be an athlete. While a pup grows, repetitive
exercise like jumping up for a frisbee, needs to be avoided-but teaching
them to play ball on soft grass is usually safe. Reckless activity,
especially when joints & ligaments are still maturing, is
what may lead to injury or developmental structural issues.
Controlled Chaos....I run my group
approximately three miles a day, without that, I would lose my mind and
so would they.
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The smarter the dog, the more creative the owner needs
to be. An Aussie or BC puppy also needs daily
socialization to new people, places and things as they mature, to insure
that they become well mannered adults. Both breeds go through different
stages as they mature, one of which is short fear periods. They may
suddenly become worried about something or someone, signified by alarm
barking or trying to avoid what worried them. Knowing how to work a puppy
successfully through these stages does take some dog savvy.
We watch our pups constantly, to see social tendencies, body awareness,
confidence, temperament, bounce back, etc. To aid in placing the right puppy
in the right home, we both instinct/temperament test and
structurally evaluate the litter at seven to eight weeks of
age, which gauges where the puppies are at that stage. Final
decisions on homes are usually made at that point. The puppies are
lovingly home raised, doted on and tortured regularly with "belly
raspberries," but they still leave us well-adjusted and happy.
Sound structure and health are crucial to maintain the working & performance ability of the breed.
Screening for hip & elbow dysplasia, genetic eye disorders, etc. is done prior to breeding a litter.
There will always be a small % of imperfect hips-not matter the ratings
behind a dog, according to OFA. Using OFA information on hip & elbow
ratings, is a tool available to us, but not the whole picture. We also
research what is behind a dog and look at horizontal pedigrees with
siblings, etc. Gauging other genetic risks such as epilepsy is very
important to us, too.
We offer a 30 month
health guarantee against debilitating inherited disorders such as
HD, OCD and encourage that x-rays are done to check hips, as well as
growth plates-prior to competing or excessive work.
We DNA test for the primary cataract in Aussies, CEA/CH in BC's and CERF
all pup eyes at 6-8 weeks-so ocular issues that are inherited in BC's or
Aussies have been cleared-where possible. If there is family history or
any concern, baby BC's will be BAER tested-but EOD may not appear until
age 3-5, so ongoing BAER testing is more predictive of any issue.
There are many environmental factors that can affect health in a dog.
Over-vaccinating and feeding poor quality food, overfeeding, lack of
conditioning, too much exercise on growing bodies, or exposing to
chemicals-topical, lawns, etc. are beyond our control. These are
considerations for anyone raising a pup, in how these factors may impact
a pup's long term health.
We maintain a lifetime commitment to our pups and will take them back,
To us, bringing a pup into your home is
not an impulse decision . We want to make sure that potential homes,
have thought it through, discussed with family members, and are ready!
Some people make up their minds, as quickly as they then change their
minds. In order to gauge how ready someone is to commit
to one of our pups, a non-refundable deposit , is requested as a good faith gesture
of intent, as we will be holding a pup for you and referring away other
potential homes. We will base pup choices on conversations, intent with
a pup, temperament and your life-matching the best pup to the person.
If we feel that there is no suitable pup for you, a deposit will be
returned or applied to another litter.
Puppies receive their first
simple vaccination at eight weeks, are wormed
if needbe, temperament evaluated and eyes are CERF’D.
Our BC's have been DNA'd for CEA/CH status or are cleared by parentage,
Aussies have been DNA'd for cataracts from the Animal Health Trust
in the UK. BC Pups will be
BAER tested as needed. Nutrition is key to raising a healthy pup, our pups are
weaned on a natural diet of goat's milk, meat, bones & high quality
grain free. We believe in a modified vaccine protocol, for more info Google: Dr Dodd's Vaccination protocol.
We are happy to discuss any potential genetic health
issues that we are aware of, in our puppies' pedigree, just ask.
Click on the link at left, to read the pledge we make when deciding
to breed a litter. For more info on genetics in Aussies, affecting
health, coat color, etc please visit:
You may also want to visit Washington State University's site to see
info about the MDR1 (Ivermectin) multi-drug sensitivity gene:
MDR1 This gene
also makes dogs sensitive to related compounds such as Immodium,
acepromazine and Flagyl.
Aussie tails-we do not plan to dock, unless medically needed. If we have no puppies available, we
would be happy to refer you. We often know of Aussies or Border
Collies of different ages, looking for homes.
Rescue: why are so many dogs in
If you are
considering an Aussie or Border Collie, please consider a rescue
first. Aussies & BCs are becoming more popular each year, which
means more end up in rescue from backyard breeders and petshops-who
do not screen homes for suitability. The dogs that end up in shelters or rescue
are usually just being what an Aussie or BC is...a herding dog with a
lot of stamina and intelligence, but they are too much for a home that
has not done their research or is prepared to channel their instincts. A responsible breeder will take a pup back, to rehome
if needed and also sometimes has dogs available for adoption. To help do
our part, in addition to the foster rescue work we do, a donation to support different
rescues will be made with each puppy sold from a litter.
please do not buy an Aussie or BC from a pet shop or from one of the
online .com, always has puppies sources. There is
responsible "breeder" I know that would sell their puppies to a pet
shop or broker who has several breeds. Buying a pet shop puppy supports an industry that
capitalizes upon high volume, commercial breeding without regard to ethics or the
pain and suffering imposed on the animals, which are bred as often
as possible and purely for profit. The pups are raised in inhumane
conditions without proper socialization, have phony pedigrees from "new"
registries, parents have no health clearances, and there is no
thought to temperament, ability or genetics.
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Pet quality puppies are on a spay/neuter contract with
Limited registration. Full registration details are discussed
individually. Part of our contract stipulates that our
puppies attend at least TWO group classes the first year. A puppy is
a commitment, not an impulse purchase. If you don’t think you’ll
have the time to spend training, socializing, exercising and loving
one of our puppies for it’s lifetime, please reconsider whether you
are ready to make the commitment.We will take a non-refundable
deposit after we confirm you are a home we are comfortable with. This
will hold a pup in a litter, complete deposit policy available. If the
litter doesn't take or we do not have the right pup for you, deposit can
be forwarded to another litter or is refundable.
We are very proud of the
extra effort we put in to ensure our puppies grow into happy,
healthy, sound adults. For more information on how we raise
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